Lol..
This is from China.
Since there is only GMBomber and New007 playing, I hope they are not angry for me posting this.
Dianwei.Super is super powerful no doubt.
This is before I asked China for advise and what happened.
http://s56.tk.huayugame.com/?reports/2014/7/27/1406463954232_n1_913988593?
This is after their advise:
http://s56.tk.huayugame.com/?reports/2014/7/27/1406467558310_n1_913988593?
You can take a look the difference :D
No equipment or array change
There was also 2 guys from Shu using DianWei.Super from S1. HSK and Qianjin. They must suck their thumps hard reading this post of you. lol
ReplyDeleteYou guys serious or also just having fun?
ReplyDeleteEven a child knows that EVA form is counter to COM or TCA attack. So in order to avoid the eva, we just increase hit from jade, and train SDW more.
Also, GMBOmber isn't using proper PvP form :) what if he uses SZF and SDC to replace ZGL and MH?
Anyway, its a fun post... But it doesn't change anything about SDW to me :)
As you can see, STA attack is too strong in the first round. First round, SZF and SDC will die in the first round. ZGL will most probably die as well. MH therefore is a must to use until he gets HuangGai.Super whose life is a LOT!
DeleteJust to add my Armored is quite high and I am using COM defense flag is level 7.
DeleteNormal SZF cannot hurt me. But DianWei.God hurt me a lot as you can see
One thing: Initial super Buff from SDC and even SXG can change the whole game around bro :)
DeleteHmm.. normal SZF can't hurt you? Damn HY :D Just can't wait to get SHG.. in 1 year's time!
http://s56.tk.huayugame.com/?reports/2014/7/29/1406632411886_n1_-1222617264?flg=0&version=0.0.0.1
DeleteAlso, if GMBomber use EVA form then his SDW will also eva a lot from SSC attack :) Since Newbie isn't using STA form, then GMBomber also doesnt need to use Echelon form either!
ReplyDeleteCorrect!
DeleteLOL, Nick Knight, you are right. But let me make some calculation on such situation.
ReplyDeleteCom hero always have lousy attack hit and crt rate. Eva form (24%) with high eva flag (Lv6 = 7% at least) in additional to 5% plus from cloak study = 24% + 7% + 5% = 36% = 0.36 chance for each hero of evade the attack from SDW.
Let talk about SDW with initial hit rate 1 (=100%), and you can add maximum 50% from everything (jade, horse, weapon, scrolls) = 1.5
Now the chance of missing is 0.36 chance of being miss/ 1.5 chance of being hit = 0.24 = 24% chance of miss to each hero = at least 01 hero evade when SDW attack no matter how much you invest in him.
Moreover, light hero such as strategist, dancer, calvary will have high inital chance of eva as nature which I am not sure about the percentage. But let take lowest number of 5% eva chance. So for that kind of hero will have (0.36 + 0.05)/1.5 = 27.3% chance of evade the SDW attack. Oah, not a small number.
So you can imagine why such SZF, WY can miss a lot against EVA form no matter how hard you try to increase their hit.
Hope this calculation could make China ppl thought more clear to you and newbienoobs
ur math are too complicated.
DeleteAll I can summarise is that a single miss from dianwei.super is deadly enough against high level STA players, regardless of whatever form they are using.
LOLs if only EVA calculation is that simple... EVA is all about luck... Unless you have gold book, all the rest is just relative!
ReplyDeleteWhat makes u think i dun have gold book :'(
DeleteAnyways, evasion form has been getting less used in pvp post 180 patch. Many have switched to echelon form for pvp. Against DianWei.super reports in China after their show their battle reports, no single gold book players can fight them with 8-tria form. To win against him, its best to use evasion. Despite it seems so obvious, many high level VIP tends to overlook this due to their high damage in STA.
Test it your self if you have clones for taking hit, bro. Let try it for 50 times at least and note down what you down. The statistic rules starts making sense when sampling size big enough. LOL
ReplyDeleteThe reason why i did that calculation because i want to know why my SJ (I used to play him before changing to pure STA team) still miss when total of my hit rate reach 150% already and eva chance of my clone totally just 29%. (just only 24% eva form + 5% of cloak).
Firstly, i feel like. What the F...K. I have already added 50% hit and why it cannot overdrive just 29% EVA of my clone. After about 50 tries i did with my SJ and clones, i come up with the formula and it work quite precisely to my me.
That also make me realized that, even you I make my total hit reach 200% (that impossible with current gears equipped at that patch), the chance of miss still there (0.26/2 = 18% miss). That make sense to see monsters' horse like Oaksky or Patton still miss. ha ha.
Then I come to to realize that eva (or LUCK if you believe so) is totally can be measured. Ha ha. You gonna be shocked to hear that, right?
Everything can be measured in this game even luck chance, which was based on statical formula setup when somebody program them.
hmm.. will note it down.
DeleteI have not up my cape to level 9 yet. Probably will do so once all my main equipments are up
Lols... Sorry newbie... I didn't mean that u couldn't afford gold books :D Maybe 5 gold books + GSMY GXY GPT GGJ... will be invincible then :D
ReplyDeleteRegarding Dao Tuan Anh's calculation: one thing we never know is how HY makes the base rate :) would it be a % base? or an absolute number base? Then 24% rate added from Taper or any other % eva will be either multiplied (with absolute base) or added (percentage base). Also there are 2 factors involved here: defender's EVA rate and attacker's HIT rate... What is the relation? only HY programmer knows!
One thing I know for sure: hit rate and troops level does increase accuracy a lot against cavalry, even though still miss a lot. and I don't really care for a formula. Working backwards to find the formula (yes randomness, or probability has a formula too, and the technically term is stochastic) is just too hard, and even if you find the correct formula then what? It's still luck! 99% enhance and sometimes we fail 3 times in a row. 5% cooperation rate and sometimes 4 coops in 6 attacks in 1 battle. so 99% eva can still eva 3 times in a row.
You tested 50 times? well, too few to me :) mathematically that's too small a sample to find HY's secret formula. How did China server find out EXH's healing formula? Cos it is not luck based, its absolute healing number same and same every time!
My conclusion: yes, Taper is the best form to counter COM attack, there's no doubt about that, but then it all depends on luck too, there's nothing absolute like: every time you use taper u will win COM players.
lols I mean 1% eva can still eva 3 times in a row :)) sorry, that's why I don't get too much into maths, it seems to make our brain crazy more than intelligent!
DeleteI also wish to have another 4 gold books. Maybe I getting SSMY. So can u sponsor me SXY and the 4 books?
DeleteFor your fun gaming, I give u all my heart and soul bro, but not any single half coin of gold :D
Deletenewbienoob, don't worry me. I have decided slowly quit this game and won't rc anymore as it has no fun anymore.
ReplyDeleteThat'll be real pity. There will be cross server country battle coming. very keen to join forces with you. I can provide u good backup as 2nd string Shu player
Deletenewbienoob, thanks. You are really a nice guy. However, we have waited too long for hy to merge us and all our top shu friends quit already. No point to spend crazy for farm SO daily only, specially without friends. However, the gold amount that I still have can last many months so I may be able to meet you. haha. By the way, SDW is really strong. IF my sdc buff on him, I can even beat FJ (who is strongest STA player in S22). See links.
ReplyDeleteDuring west war.....
http://tinyurl.com/nmw739z
sdw strong when losing troop so he cannot be put on 1st place. Also, my array not full yet since I was a common attack player (use WY and then HS with 3 hero form in CB) but have changed to play STA since hy screw our Super ZF. Only 1GB on SGJ.
The troop level and fsp is crazy beyond compare.. My FSP is only 24k and troop level 17.7m....
ReplyDeleteI think I am at most mid level players in s22.
We have a SDW in my server as well.
I only have 1 GB as well. But I will be using SSMY.
I am sticking to TCA+STA.
have u tried huang gai.super as well?
DeleteNo, because my 2nd array for common attack is still only lvl 80. Therefore, I am not going to transfer all pages from Mhuo to SGH. I have tested SGH, his attack strong but def no good so can't stand STA. You need remember my opponent is FJ797 who has 2 GB and 4 STA attackers with max page and max array. The other wu is nothing to me except JH is still strong. Therefore, I no rush to out SGH. Now that since I stop RC, I can't consume gold too much. Therefore, I will next slowly build STA and out SPT to replace my Xian. In the future, when my 4th array max lvl 100 then I may replace mhuo with SGH. But since no spend money, the process will be very very long now...hoho.
DeleteIts about placement of H.Gai. The damage of Huang Gai is higher than that of Dianwei.super for 1 hero. I never mentioned before, but how Dianwei.super and Huanggai.super works is simple. As long as ur life is less than 50%, the damage will be many times more and it is the same be it -> 10% or 20%.
DeleteI cannot imagine 4th array max level 100. Until now i yet to have a single level 100 array lolx. My array is 95 90 70 60. tca sta sta sta. My opponent if we merge is probably some mid-level wu players :D
But since its cross servers, u shall see some of the super late server VIP Shu of which several outshine me a lot! Only thing is that their fsp is lower :D
This game is harder and harder to kill 3 or 4 in a row. So, overall we still play a part :D
By the way, this is what I global today. I normally not use global channel since I never wasted gold...hehe......now that I don't want hy merge us or out any new things since I dont' rc anymore so can stay longer without new cheating money items lol....
ReplyDeleteTo HY managers and moderators, I have started my retirement plan today and will not RC anymore even 300% gold return; therefore, please do not merge S22 with any other server. Thanks.
Peace bro.
DeleteHere's my article on HuangGai.super.
Can check it out
Sorry link here:http://s57shu.blogspot.sg/2014/04/super-huang-gai-at-glance.html
DeleteBro, no use, opponent will use echelon form except if I have another array lvl 100 then I can use shg.....
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